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	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22139</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, awesome effect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, awesome effect!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McGowan</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22129</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must have been lucky or something but I've still yet to be confronted by a security guard - it all seems very pointlessly aggressive and confrontational.  If you were taking photos to stake out the building some way, you'd do it from miles away with a zoom lens.  I have been stopped by people obviously worried I was from the Social and I've told them the same thing - if I wanted to take your photo covertly, I'd do it from bleeding miles away and you'd never even know a lens had been pointed at you.  

Fair play for standing your ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must have been lucky or something but I&#8217;ve still yet to be confronted by a security guard - it all seems very pointlessly aggressive and confrontational.  If you were taking photos to stake out the building some way, you&#8217;d do it from miles away with a zoom lens.  I have been stopped by people obviously worried I was from the Social and I&#8217;ve told them the same thing - if I wanted to take your photo covertly, I&#8217;d do it from bleeding miles away and you&#8217;d never even know a lens had been pointed at you.  </p>
<p>Fair play for standing your ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Lamb</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22126</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 08:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey, what a story.

I too would advise writing a polite letter to the building owners - bet they'd be very interested to hear from you. You might even get a free meal in the restaurant out of it ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey, what a story.</p>
<p>I too would advise writing a polite letter to the building owners - bet they&#8217;d be very interested to hear from you. You might even get a free meal in the restaurant out of it ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Howe</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22125</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Howe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 01:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just tell them to funk off and do their worst. If they're self-important enough to think the cops will come running because someone's taking photographs they're probably in for a shock.
Reclaim the light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just tell them to funk off and do their worst. If they&#8217;re self-important enough to think the cops will come running because someone&#8217;s taking photographs they&#8217;re probably in for a shock.<br />
Reclaim the light.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22124</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt at all this happened as stated, if for no other reason than than the same regularly happens to me and many, many others in London. The cause is invariably poorly trained security automatons spouting fantasy legal statutes to while away the afternoon, justifying the cost of their services. A photographer moved on is one so-called 'threat' less. For public spaces that are private property the issue seems to be more about image and trademark than security; the security line is a fob-off.

Given the manners displayed by the 'suits' I'd knock off a letter to the buildings owners, local MP/councillor and the local rag. If this is how Liverpool businesses are dealing with culture in the year of culture, it should be publicised locally.

Kudos for standing your ground.

- Security guards have no remit beyond their own property; if they provide security for the passport office they have no right to quiz you about something else unless they provide security for the 'estate' itself.

- No one can stop you shooting from public property, although you may not be able to sell the picture if the building is trademarked unless it is 'incidental' to the whole image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt at all this happened as stated, if for no other reason than than the same regularly happens to me and many, many others in London. The cause is invariably poorly trained security automatons spouting fantasy legal statutes to while away the afternoon, justifying the cost of their services. A photographer moved on is one so-called &#8216;threat&#8217; less. For public spaces that are private property the issue seems to be more about image and trademark than security; the security line is a fob-off.</p>
<p>Given the manners displayed by the &#8217;suits&#8217; I&#8217;d knock off a letter to the buildings owners, local MP/councillor and the local rag. If this is how Liverpool businesses are dealing with culture in the year of culture, it should be publicised locally.</p>
<p>Kudos for standing your ground.</p>
<p>- Security guards have no remit beyond their own property; if they provide security for the passport office they have no right to quiz you about something else unless they provide security for the &#8216;estate&#8217; itself.</p>
<p>- No one can stop you shooting from public property, although you may not be able to sell the picture if the building is trademarked unless it is &#8216;incidental&#8217; to the whole image.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pete,
First of all great shot as always. We have meet a few times around Liverpool (I'm the one who called you for advice on the 10-20mm Sigma lens). I rarely leave comments but felt compelled to on this occasion. I have been stopped here on 3 occasions and had pretty much the same agrument, it is so frustrating, my smpathies are with you. I asked who I needed to get from permission from, and after £10 of phone credit being passed around the houses I gave up! The great irony for me was they came out to stop me because they saw me on a camera, a cctv camera. Double standards ahoy. The only silver lining was it gave me a great idea for a photography project to highlight this double standard. The way to fight back for me is with images that the public can see, if you are interested in collaborating send me a mail and I will tell you all about it. 

Don't let the zealots get you down!

Anyways, keep up the fantastic work, yours is the first blog i check when I go online and a visual treat is always waiting for me. I can't remember a bad shot on here, such consistancy and vision is a rare thing. Hope all is well with you, no doubt I will see you soon at some random 'pool event. Take care J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pete,<br />
First of all great shot as always. We have meet a few times around Liverpool (I&#8217;m the one who called you for advice on the 10-20mm Sigma lens). I rarely leave comments but felt compelled to on this occasion. I have been stopped here on 3 occasions and had pretty much the same agrument, it is so frustrating, my smpathies are with you. I asked who I needed to get from permission from, and after £10 of phone credit being passed around the houses I gave up! The great irony for me was they came out to stop me because they saw me on a camera, a cctv camera. Double standards ahoy. The only silver lining was it gave me a great idea for a photography project to highlight this double standard. The way to fight back for me is with images that the public can see, if you are interested in collaborating send me a mail and I will tell you all about it. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the zealots get you down!</p>
<p>Anyways, keep up the fantastic work, yours is the first blog i check when I go online and a visual treat is always waiting for me. I can&#8217;t remember a bad shot on here, such consistancy and vision is a rare thing. Hope all is well with you, no doubt I will see you soon at some random &#8216;pool event. Take care J</p>
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		<title>By: Dave R</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22113</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 13:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pre 9/11 I also got stopped in Mahattan, at the top floor of the empire state, just before carrying my tripod up there.

I didn't object because I was on private property already, but the jobsworth who stopped me said I would be causing an obstruction.  Wouldn't let me leave the tripod with him so we we decided how we'd divide up into photographers and tripod holders. 
While we were arguing who'd go up first some character came out of the lift with a mountain bike. He was allowed to carry it up to the observation deck. Obstruction my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pre 9/11 I also got stopped in Mahattan, at the top floor of the empire state, just before carrying my tripod up there.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t object because I was on private property already, but the jobsworth who stopped me said I would be causing an obstruction.  Wouldn&#8217;t let me leave the tripod with him so we we decided how we&#8217;d divide up into photographers and tripod holders.<br />
While we were arguing who&#8217;d go up first some character came out of the lift with a mountain bike. He was allowed to carry it up to the observation deck. Obstruction my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ellison</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22112</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 12:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UK - Photographers Rights
http://www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php/2004/11/19/uk_photographers_rights_guide

Perhaps photographers should all put a link on their website to the Photographers Rights website. 

An excellent site which has a pdf file of your rights and a Question &#38; Answer facility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK - Photographers Rights<br />
<a href="http://www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php/2004/11/19/uk_photographers_rights_guide" rel="nofollow">http://www.sirimo.co.uk/ukpr.php/2004/11/19/uk_photographers_rights_guide</a></p>
<p>Perhaps photographers should all put a link on their website to the Photographers Rights website. </p>
<p>An excellent site which has a pdf file of your rights and a Question &amp; Answer facility.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ellison</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22111</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 11:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See: http://www.chapterthirteen.com/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=66&#38;Itemid=56

and follow the link to Linda's website at Sirimo to download a pdf on photography and the law.

I used to get stopped during the 1980's quite a lot. I photographed asround the Beetham Tower about two months ago without any problems. ( tea break? )

There have been quite a few incidences recently around Britain and there are videos and articles appearing on the internet to document the situation.

See:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/photodrift/2422740769/

Unless photographers start to take action and stand up for their rights, future generations will miss out on street photography during this era. 

Some recent events:
Amateur stopped photographing Victoria Station in Manchester.
Photographer dealt with aggressively by manager of a mobile phone shop manager in Southport who demanded the images of the shop be deleted.

There is a file which you can download and print out and carry with you at:

http://www.ephotozine.com/download/43/5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See: <a href="http://www.chapterthirteen.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=66&amp;Itemid=56" rel="nofollow">http://www.chapterthirteen.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=66&amp;Itemid=56</a></p>
<p>and follow the link to Linda&#8217;s website at Sirimo to download a pdf on photography and the law.</p>
<p>I used to get stopped during the 1980&#8217;s quite a lot. I photographed asround the Beetham Tower about two months ago without any problems. ( tea break? )</p>
<p>There have been quite a few incidences recently around Britain and there are videos and articles appearing on the internet to document the situation.</p>
<p>See:  <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/photodrift/2422740769/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/photodrift/2422740769/</a></p>
<p>Unless photographers start to take action and stand up for their rights, future generations will miss out on street photography during this era. </p>
<p>Some recent events:<br />
Amateur stopped photographing Victoria Station in Manchester.<br />
Photographer dealt with aggressively by manager of a mobile phone shop manager in Southport who demanded the images of the shop be deleted.</p>
<p>There is a file which you can download and print out and carry with you at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ephotozine.com/download/43/5" rel="nofollow">http://www.ephotozine.com/download/43/5</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2008/05/imposing/#comment-22108</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 09:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe last word on the matter.  If you are who you say you are send me a message &lt;a href="http://www.vanilladays.com/contact/" rel="nofollow"&gt;via this page&lt;/a&gt; with your Beetham contact details in and I'll give you a call Monday morning.  If you are someone from Beetham then there should be no issue with remaining anonymous.  Only I will see those details.

My account of the events are as it happened, aside from the black ops helicopters of course.  The security guard from Beetham
West Tower came out and had a chat with me.  He was polite enough about it but insisted that I need permission to take photographs from
public property.  I debated this and he used his radio to talk to someone. It is entirely possible that the passport office were simply monitoring the situation via CCTV and just happened to come out at the same time.  But he definitely used his radio to tell someone that I refused to leave.  I told him that I was not refusing to leave.  Security from the passport office arrived moments after this.  The guy in a suit told me I can't take photos of Beetham Tower without permission.  I had no idea why he was arguing the case for someone elses building.  Eventually he threatened police action and told me to get lost.  

This definitely happened and if they saw me on CCTV it should be logged somewhere as proof. Its as simple as that really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe last word on the matter.  If you are who you say you are send me a message <a href="http://www.vanilladays.com/contact/" rel="nofollow">via this page</a> with your Beetham contact details in and I&#8217;ll give you a call Monday morning.  If you are someone from Beetham then there should be no issue with remaining anonymous.  Only I will see those details.</p>
<p>My account of the events are as it happened, aside from the black ops helicopters of course.  The security guard from Beetham<br />
West Tower came out and had a chat with me.  He was polite enough about it but insisted that I need permission to take photographs from<br />
public property.  I debated this and he used his radio to talk to someone. It is entirely possible that the passport office were simply monitoring the situation via CCTV and just happened to come out at the same time.  But he definitely used his radio to tell someone that I refused to leave.  I told him that I was not refusing to leave.  Security from the passport office arrived moments after this.  The guy in a suit told me I can&#8217;t take photos of Beetham Tower without permission.  I had no idea why he was arguing the case for someone elses building.  Eventually he threatened police action and told me to get lost.  </p>
<p>This definitely happened and if they saw me on CCTV it should be logged somewhere as proof. Its as simple as that really.</p>
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